[Ogre] Ogre Deluxe Edition for Sale?

Tue May 24 13:18:30 CDT 2005

My apologies to the list if this appears twice.  I sent this reply to Alvin,
but I'm not sure if the email ever left my home address. 

Alvin Helms wrote:

> Rob --
>
> In answer to your inquiry about a deluxe large-scale version of Ogre / 
> G.E.V.: Unfortunately, No. SJG never made a large-scale version of the 
> combined game.

    Hello Alvin!

    All of my local gaming buddies (Houston TX) confirm what you've said 
here.  It's a shame that no Deluxe Ogre\GEV was made.

>
> There *was* (as you remembered) a large-scale board version of the 
> basic Ogre rules. It was first released in 1987 (to celebrate the 
> tenth anniversary of the game), and it was called "Ogre Deluxe 
> Edition" -- not to be confused with "Deluxe Ogre," the relatively 
> current (but presently out of print) boxed set that comes with miniatures.
>
> You can see a picture of the Ogre Deluxe Edition box cover in the 
> gallery on this page:
>
> http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/5206
>
> (Click "View all images" to see the gallery page -- Ogre Deluxe 
> Edition is the first image in the second row up from the bottom.)

    I KNOW I had a copy or two of this game, but what I can't 
understand, is what happened to them. Neither of my brothers played 
wargames, so they either fell victim to flood damage or being lent to a 
fellow gamer who forgot to return them.

>
> The great thing about the Deluxe Edition was that board you 
> remembered. It unfolds to a respectable 18" x 22.5", and the hexes are 
> a full 1" from side to side. The only *flaw*, as I recall, is that the 
> Deluxe Edition also had a typographical error of some sort in it... an 
> incorrect value was given for either the Attack or Defense on 
> *something*, although I can't remember exactly what it was. All of the 
> rules are *supposed* to be identical to the small version though, so a 
> side-by-side comparison would reveal the error quickly.
>
> If you would like to try Ogre Deluxe Edition with your sons, I have 
> the pleasure of owning two copies of Ogre Deluxe Edition, one of which 
> is even still in the original shrink wrap, and I would be happy to 
> sell it to you. *However*, given that all copies of Ogre Deluxe 
> Edition contain the aforementioned error, and that it does *not* 
> include the G.E.V. rules (nor any of the counters for it, of course), 
> I wouldn't really recommend it. It's more of a Collector's Item, to be 
> had just for the sake of having it, rather than something actually 
> worth *using*.

    Well, any flaws in the deluxe game I can compensate for since I have 
at least one copy of each of the original Microgames, Ogre and Ogre\GEV, 
and I do have a printing background (worked for the Houston Chronicle 
for 18 years) so I would not have a problem with a small fix like that.

    How much would you want for one of your copies or are you interested 
in a barter?  I have some games (not sure how many) that are also in 
shrink wrap that you may or may not be interested in.  Since I do have 
to free up some space for recent family additions (a new wife and 2 
kids) I'll be taking an inventory sometime today.
    Let me know what avenue you might be interested in.

>
> I would recommend buying the small, combined Ogre / G.E.V. set, which 
> has the small paper map and counters (which is nominally out of print 
> at the moment, but shouldn't be too hard to find anyway). Then use a 
> scanner to copy the counter sheets and the maps, and scale them up to 
> the 1" hex size. The counter sheets can be done that way on a home 
> printer, and you can mount the sheet on thick cardboard to give them a 
> nice, solid feel. The giant maps are the only problem, since you'd 
> need to get them printed at Kinko's (or somewhere similar), and it'll 
> cost you a little bit to do so. Overall though, you'll probably spend 
> no more on printing them than you would on buying any average modern 
> board game -- and probably less.
>
> I have a giant Ogre map *and* a giant G.E.V. map (and giant counters 
> to go with each) which I made in exactly the manner I just described, 
> some years ago. As I recall, the Ogre map costed only about $10 to 
> print, and the G.E.V. map (because it's bigger, of course) was $12.50 
> or $15, something like that. I paid a little extra to have both of 
> them laminated, too.
>
> If you'd like to go that route, and require any advice or assistance 
> in preparing the files for enlarged printing, please feel free to ask 
> me. In addition to being a Gamer who plays Ogre / G.E.V., I'm also a 
> Graphic Artist / Designer, and I do that kind of stuff all the time. ;-)

    Great ideas, but time for me is a mitigating factor.  I work two 
jobs, job "A" I'm a helpdesk analyst 45 hours a week for Cooper Cameron 
Oil Tool.  Job "B" has me on ice 10-20 hours per week as a USA Ice 
Hockey referee.  And while I'm not a perfectionist, I am bit, uh, let's 
say 'retentive' about details so I can look in the crystal ball and see 
that I'd have to spend a lot more time working on this project that what 
I have available.

    If you're interested in selling either or both of your 'enlarged' 
maps, I would be interested in buying those as well.

    Don't get me wrong, I do appreciate all the advice here as I didn't 
know that Kinko's offered such services.  But presently I don't possess 
the home printing facilities that you probably have available.

> ps: If you'd like to try an entirely different game with your sons, 
> one which I'm sure young boys would easily be able to play and enjoy, 
> allow me to recommend "Planet Busters," by Tom Wham (the guy who made 
> up Awful Green Things From Outer Space, as well as SNITS). Come to 
> think of it, Awful Green Things and SNITS are good possibilities, too; 
> and both are available from Steve Jackson. I didn't work on those, 
> though; whereas I did the redesign of Planet Busters for its new 
> full-color edition from Troll Lord Games, so of course *I* think it's 
> better. ;-)
>
> You can check out Planet Busters here:
>
> http://www.trolllord.com/planetbusters.htm
>
> and here:
>
> http://www.tomwham.com/planetb.html
> http://www.tomwham.com/pberrata.html
>
> and here:
>
> http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/3247
>
    I'm always open for new gaming avenues, as boardgaming around here 
has enjoyed a renaissance of late.  I've been playing Third Reich one 
Saturday a month with a friend of mine and we've both agreed to buy a 
copy of the new Advanced Squad Leader Starter kit.  I know that ASL is 
way beyond my sons comprehension (it's close to being beyond mine!) but 
who knows in a summer or two.

    Holler back when you get a chance Alvin and in the mean time I'll 
check out the links to the games above.

    Regards,

    Rob McClure

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