[Ogre] Re: Ogre-list Digest, Vol 7, Issue 8

[Chris French]

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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:58:07 -0500
> From: David Morse <dcmorse at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Ogre] Hydro-howie ... glug glug
> In GEV there's no rule to prevent you from setting up a Howitzer in
> the water, nor from firing it from the water either.  They just can't
> MOVE into water.

Oh, yes, there is....

[producesa folding chair and administers a Righteous Whuppin' Of
Ass unto the Rules-Lawyer]

See? >:)

> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:19:24 -0500
> From: David Morse <dcmorse at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Ogre] Re: Breakthrough
> In "Ogre Miniatures".  Then it got back-patched to hex-based Ogre in
> about 2002.

Ah, this would explain it -- long-service _Car Wars_ players know
enough to never read SJG errata pages, as the "fix" will always be
worse than the original problem.

>  I blame myself.  

And what exactly is your role in this abominable stupidity?

> Uhh... I count well under 4 turns to transit the western side of the
> map south to north.

And another 4 or 5 to bludgeon a hole through the defenders. That
is where the scenario falls apart.

> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:33:47 -0500
> From: Joe Shelby <acroyear at io.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ogre] Re: Breakthrough
> seems to account for some geographies, though. 

Columbia River here in Portland -- one side has a gentle transition;
the other doesn't. (Of course, GEVs don't play here due to a feature
not found in "normal" _O_ -- namely, altitude.)

>  its carved a cliff that's just way too tall now. 

A little micronuke combat engineering, anyone? :)

> So really, I'd put it as a scenerio decision as to the coastline 
> altitude changes.  if both players agree the river is shallow to the 
> land, then have the "wait" (accounting for the GEV to find a path up the 
> cliff).  otherwise, let it be a "beach" and don't worry about it.

Or (and I know it means adding rules), have a means of indicating
on the hexside itself whether the river has a gorge or not.

> on the realism of the scenerio taking place in Europe, the rivers do
> tend to have cliff-coastlines throughout.

Yes, but not *that* pronounced (at least, the places where it is are
also so rough, GEVs wouldn't work there anyway...).

> letter of the law rules normally 
> only apply to open tournaments at conventions 

This is where I have problems -- eventually one has to deal with
"the official rules". Having been screwed over more than once by
by poorly-written rules (guess which game...), I get a little annoyed
when editors and "rules monkeys" make fixes that cause even
worse problems.

> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:20:51 -0500
> From: David Morse <dcmorse at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ogre] Heavy and defensive.
> > One of only two unit types that can actually *enter* rubble.
> 
> Uh..."All units treat rubble exactly as though it is swamp except
> Ogres.  Ogres treat rubble as though it is forest." 

Which leaves two unit types: OGREs (incl. SHVY), and INF.

CF