[KC] Demotion and Promotion

[Hunter Johnson]

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From: Kevin <armordylo at hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 31, 2008 12:38 PM
Subject: RE: [KC] Demotion and Promotion
To: Hunter Johnson <hunter at hunterandlori.com>



Thank you all for your comments!

 Matt, I will definitely post more questions as they arise!

 Kevin




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 > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:30:18 -0500
> From: hunter at hunterandlori.com

> To: knightmare-list at sjgames.com
> Subject: Re: [KC] Demotion and Promotion


>
> Correct. In Knightmare Chess, promotion occurs with the regular move
> of a Pawn to the appropriate rank or by card effect. Neither of these
> apply to the former Rook now DEMOTIONed to Pawn, so it stays a Pawn
> for the foreseeable future.
>
> On Jan 30, 2008 7:32 PM, Matt Shields <MChirchill at comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Chris,
> >
> > Your raise an interesting point, but I don't think you're quite right. The real problem is that "the normal rules of chess" don't really apply in this case.
> >
> > There is no circumstance in regular chess where my turn can start with my pawn already in my opponent's last rank.
> >
> > The question would be, does a pawn promote because it is in the opponent's last rank, or alternatively does a pawn promote because it *MOVES* into an opponent's last rank. In regular chess, there is no possibility of these two situations being different, so the rules do not contemplate clarifying the process further. You simply move to the last rank and promote, all at once. However, in Knightmare Chess the timing and the reason for the promotion is critical.
> >
> > There are several ways in Knightmare Chess to get your own pawn to your opponent's last rank using cards, as well as some ways to play cards to get your opponents pawn into your first rank (the one he'd promote in) against his will. Fanatic, Anexation, On The Brink, Seat of Power, Holy Ground and Slippery Ground are the obvious ones, along with more convoluted examples involving combinations of cards.
> >
> > The Knightmare Chess rule that pawns don't promote if they reach the last rank because of a card (unless the card specifies otherwise) would seem to be largely thwarted if the pawn simply promoted next turn, which seems to be the conclusion you reach. For this reason, I think that SJ Games has interpreted the "normal" chess rules to be that a pawn promotes when it MOVES into your opponent's last rank. (As an aside, note that the rules use the word "reach" implying that it is the reaching of the last rank that triggers promotion, rather than mere presence there.) If it's not there because it moved there, it doesn't get to promote.
> >
> > Now if you manage to back out of the last rank, and step back in, that's a different story....
> >
> > I don't know how many people are on this list, but I'd love it if these kind of questions came up more often. I've been playing with the same two people for years, so we've made a ton of these kind of "rulings" in cases where the FAQ isn't helpful, but I'd love to get other people's opinions on some of this stuff.
> >
> > - Matt
> >
> >
> >
> > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: Christopher Johnson <cougies at yahoo.com.au>
> > > This would be the situation as I would see it:
> > >
> > > He moves his pawn onto your first rank, and promotes it.
> > >
> > > You play demotion, making it a pawn again
> > >
> > > You have your turn
> > >
> > > He re-promotes his piece on his next turn.
> > >
> > > Your right, there is nothing on the card that say that the piece can't
> > > repromote, so following the normal rules of chess (which Knightmare still
> > > follows), he can repromote on his next turn.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > From: Kevin <armordylo at hotmail.com>
> > > To: "knightmare-list at sjgames.com" <knightmare-list at sjgames.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, 31 January, 2008 7:04:32 AM
> > > Subject: [KC] Demotion and Promotion
> > >
> > > Hi all, If I use Demotion on my opponent's piece (in this case, his Rook) that
> > > is on my first rank, does the pawn it demotes to promote? I would think not,
> > > since it doesn't say anything about it on the card, but perhaps no one has yet
> > > had to consider it? I don't see this specific situation mentioned anywhere on
> > > the html pages or in the PDF. Kevin
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